Our blog this week is twofold:
One: Express your thoughts and feelings on the shooting in Tucson last Saturday. What are your thoughts on how to stop something like this from happening again? Is it political? Is it due to funding cuts in mental health...?
Two: The Westboro Baptist Church out of Oklahoma protests American soldiers funerals, Coretta Scott King's and Elizabeth Edward's funeral and had planned on protesting at the funeral of the 9 year old girl that was killed in Saturday's shooting. My question to you is what amendment in the Bill of Rights gives the Church members the right to do something that most consider questionable?
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I think its terrivle that things like this happen in Arizona and all arround the country,Its sad how all thous people could of been a big change in the fute and maybe become the future of this country but they cant no more because of irresponsable people.I think this could be fixed by the government because its a political issue,all the new laws are bringing conflicts and deaths insted of bringing peas to the U.S.
My thoughts on the Tucson shooting that recently happened are devastated and shocked. I feel extremely sorry for the families of the ones who died that day and I hope God is with them mending and taking care of them. As of what to do to do to prevent another tragedy like this from happening, more security and in a way gun control. I do not believe it is "political" but from what I can see, it was some mentally insane soul who wanted vengeance on something. To blame the cuts on mental health could quite possibly be a cause, but we can not all jump to conclusions right?
The amendment that sadly gives these confused individuals the right to do the actions that they are doing would be the first one, freedom of speech.
Well i feel that it was all the fault of the individual he decided "Hay im going to pull out this here gun and shoot at this here group of people" yeah so i don't feel that its due to politics or anything else, it was all on him and his stupid actions.
the first amendment
My thought on the shooting is that some people are crazy. Even if it was political or due to cut back on health things, you don't go shoot someone. And why were the other people shot too? What did the 9 year old do? She was there visiting.
The first amendment gives the right for those people to protest, right to freedom of speech, and right to religion. Legally they are allowed to protest but morally why would they want to? Why couldn't they go back the next day out of respect for that poor little girls family? Im sure the family doesn't want a bunch of angry protesters outside while they are remembering their daughter.
oh yeah and umm to prevent such things all i guess you should do is up the security and hope for the best because you have no idea how many weird freaks are out their
@Spencer Katoa,
I couldn't agree with you more. You have the whole jist of the case written in the sentences of your own words. You hit the nail on the head, it was all the fault of some mentally insane dude. Not politics much.
Well it was very tragic what happened in Tucson last Saturday, it's scary knowing that this could happen anywhere and we really need to be more safe. At big events like that there should always be police guarding the crowds or bodyguards keeping on the lookout and they should always be armed, just in case.
In the Bill of Rights the first amendment gives the Baptist church right to do this, they have the right of freedom of speech and religion. I think it's very disrespectful that they won't let soldiers or this little girl's funeral be held there, so I think it is wrong.
1) Frankly, I'd give him the death penalty even if he were mentally ill. If he can think about politics and create Youtube videos, then he obviously has a brain. Funding cuts in mental health have nothing to do with it and, in my opinion, anyone who does not want the death penalty are apt to even FAKE mental retardation. I don't care if this is political, he may have freedom of speech, but he did not speak in peace - he shot people. He lost his right and either way, he is a bloody murderer. They should kill him and if they don't, I'll move to Ireland. >.>
I feel awful for that little girl and her family. First, being born on 9/11, and then dying a tragic death at the age of nine? What has this world come to? God, no one can blame me for living in my room anymore.
2)The first amendment with the right of speech? As long as they do not do anything violent... That makes me sick though. I mean, she was a nine-year old girl, murdered! Do these people even have the right to call themselves christians?
Funerals are about mourning and saying goodbye to people you loved who have passed on. They have nothing to do with politics! These are personal affairs.
I think the shooting was an awful happening. I don't think there is a way to prevent spontaneous or even pre determined shootings like this from happening with a definitive plan or action. As far as I am aware there were no political ties with what had happened. I also do not feel that it had anything to do with cutting the funding to mental health programs.
The first amendment in the bill of rights protects the Baptist church by the freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and the freedom to protest. Though they are protected by this law there is no law spoken or written law against setting limits on boundaries of protesting. A law respecting a perimeter should be legal and immediately established out of respect for the dead.
Oh and the second part of the first question is they could have more guards an police around political people but honestly, how do you know some crazy guy is gunna come out and shoot someone. its hard to expect, so you never know when you need more security.
YEAH SHARMAN THAT'S WHATS UP!!!
I feel that what happened last saturday in Tucson, AZ was not a political action. This man that shot and killed so many people has mental problems. He is mentally unstable but he also knew what he was doing. This man posted entrees on facebook stating "sorry for what I have done", and he wrote a letter and left it at his house, with a thank you letter from the senator from a couple years ago.
The first amendment allows the church members to protest at the funeral, because it states that everyone has the freedom of speech and religion.
Jorge, I agree with you when you say more security is necessary. Instead of funding the foreign war, why not fund the war this country is already in with itself?
We have many issues with murderers and people that hate the gov't.
However, his freedom of speech was taken away when he used violence. He did not peacefully assemble. He shot and killed six people, and wounded the other fourteen.
1) I really did not care for the killing in Tucson last saturday, because I don't care about people dying that I don't know and care about. Well one thing that did catch my attention was that the little girl was born on 9/11, i thought that was pretty funny. Here comes the hate comments. :D
2)I am confuse about why someone would protest a funeral. Especially a little girls funeral, come on people just because you have the right to protest about anything ( with peace ) doesn't mean you have to. America where have you gone, we are going into denial, please come back.
The Tucson shooting was obviously a horrid tragedy, and it's scary that preventing something like this is difficult. Even though a few people who knew this guy might have thought he was weird or creepy, but I don't think anyone expected him to shoot 19 people. Funding cuts in mental health probably had nothing to do with this, there isn't much chance that this would have been prevented had we not saved some money in that area. So, though the shooting was horrible and obviously anyone wouldn't want this to happen again, there isn't much that can be done to prevent this from happening besides to increase security and hope someone stops the next person to do this sooner and with less casualties.
As for the Westboro Baptist Church, they are protected by their first amendment rights to protest and practice their religion as well as speak freely.
Theresa murry- i agree with you. even if your mad at political things (if you were mentally stable) the normal thing to do would be go home, be pissed off and complain to your spouse about it, drink a beer, and calm down. NOT pull a gun out.
It's very sad that some people are so mentally disturbed that they go and kill people for no reason. I dnt think that there is a way for us to prevent or even put a stop to this. It's not political, nor is it due to funding cuts in mental health, because the guy wasn't diagnosed ad crazy yet.
The first amendment protects the babtist church because we have the right to peaceably assemble and have the freedom of speech. As long as they don't cause any harm to anyone, they are free to protest...
The shooting was a tragedy. I think that when people do things like this, that it reflects upon the state as a whole. The congresswoman that was shot, thankfully survived, however all of the innocent people that were shot, died. So how does this make our state look more appealing? It doesn't. We're now the state that's known for attempting assassinations and the Grand Canyon. So this event as a whole may effect the economy of our state, which will directly impact our lives. However, returning to the issue at hand, the Westboro Baptist Church wanted to picket the funeral, making a political statement or something, which is legal, technically, but it's really immoral, and definitely seems like something that if it were to happen at their church, then the person would be ex-communicated. They do have the right to picket, but after a certain amount of space is gapped between the actual event and the picketers, which thanks to the local authorities was not crossed. Honestly, the "Memorial service" was a disgraceful political hay-day for most people, which could be seen by the act of people passing out shirts, and applauding for speakers, which at any conventional occasion of this nature, would be unacceptable, and at one point, or many possibly, the president also joined in with the applause, encouraging the behavior. All in all, it's al just really bad.
@Ethan Burr
Well said I agree
i agree with jorge, we really can't jump to conclusions.
@DMcFarland
Are you kidding me? The disregard for a human life doesn't make you look cool, just makes you look like an insensitive prick, by the way, it was a memorial service, not the actual funeral, and America and where it's gone can be blamed on you, just like it can me, time to admit to being the masses and take responsibility. Have fun trying to be edgy.
@ Caitlin, I disagree with your viewpoints about the death penalty and the mentally ill. The man made a devastating, horrible choice, but you also have to push deeper into his life and investigate the mind of the criminal before you go just randomly sentencing people to death. He should go in a prison institute for the criminally insane, and be locked up. If he isn't insane, then maybe then he deserves the death penalty, but the thought of taking another human being's life just doesn't sit right with me.
@ethanburr I agree with you
i thought that the shooting in tucson was a horrible event and the guy who killed those 6 people and injured those 19 people should be ether get the death penalty or sent to a asylum for the mentally insane. I hope their will never be event like this again.
I believe that what happened in Tucson is not only horrifying, but incredibly sad as well. Those people did not deserve to die, or but injured in any way. The sad thing is, this whole situation could have been prevented. Arizona doesn't have the best gun control; in fact, it has been said that we have some of the least gun regulations in the country. If we increased some gun control regulations, that would prevent others from being hurt. Also, whenever a political member is speaking at a public place, then there should be some sort of security that could check for weapons. It may happen be political, it may have been due to his mental health issues, but there is no excuse for his unjustifiable actions and behavior. The bottom line is that violence is unacceptable towards innocent people, like the nine year old girl who was shot.
The church has the right to protest peacefully due to the first amendment. However, I agree with them. The victims were not American soldiers, they were innocent people who were in the wrong place at the right time. I believe that the government and the media should pay respect to the victims, and perhaps even help contribute to pay the expenses or even completely cover the cost of the victim's funerals.
@Jen I echo your statement with support and agreement.
It was very sad that just one man can kill three people with just a change of his mood. That they should had guards there to see what people had on there person. yes due to political health care is being cut back. The amendment is the 3rd because people have the freedom of speech.
@dmcfarland you really are in a far way land aren't you, like I'm glad you are honest but seriously you seem to have no sympathy whatsoever. You could have sugarcoated yours a little bit and said you had some care for the INNOCENT PEOPLE THAT DIED FOR NO EFFING REASON.. You will have a lot of haters for that post so you might want to go out and buy that shirt.
Personally, I believe that situations like the Tucson massacre is unavoidable. Yes, we could arm congress members, yes we could increase security at these events, but for what? Tradgedy is always lurking in the bowels of our peace-of-mind. If it's not a congresswomen being shot, It's a plane being flown into a citadel of our great country or a high school student massacring his fellow peers. Crisis is inevidable. The best thing to do is to be more prepared for recovery then anything else. Though the death of sweet Christina Taylor Green and the others is deeply saddening, let us not let their death go in vein merely because of our strong ego and thirst for vengence.
@Slupia
Tell me, why should we, the people, pay for a mental institute for murderers? I'll tell you something. My uncle was shot 6 times years ago and killed. His killer pleaded mentally ill and he got away for what he did. I can never forgive him. If YOU were the victim, you'd understand. The sick fact about this is if he is considered "cured," he will be released. And he threatened to kill the rest of the family too. I don't care if the person is mental or not, they commited a MURDER, those people won't be able to live their lives anymore and live up to be what they always wanted to be. Why should he live after ruining dreams? I completely disagree with you.
Its messed up what happened and you just never know who is mentally unstable out I think their should have been better security.
I agree with Jorge because I dont think it was all political either
that is so right Spencer
VP what happened in tucson last Saturday was very sad but not shocking. i am so thankful that my brother that lives in tucson was not there at the time. Things like this happen all over the world the united states it no different. every county has people that need medical help but dont get it. cuts in mental health could be an effect of the saturday shooting but probable not the main cause for the man insanity. simply help the people with there issues so the dont act out of anger or depression to stop putting other people in danger. the first amendment of the bill of rights gives the protesters the right to protest at the 9 year old girls funeral. the first amendment give people to peaceably asemble and also the right to freedom of speech which protects the protesters. although in my opinion the protester should not protest at the funeral, i know how it feel when people take pleaser in finding there own opertunity in other peoples pain.
I don't think it was a political statement because if he was mentally insane, he might of just became angry that he couldn't see Gabrielle right away so he got his gun and began to fire. You cant exactly predict what a insane person will do. Their logic is completely obscure. I could have possibly been just an act of insanity. His reasons why he did it may never make sense to us; whatever they might be that is.
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The church has a right to protest. That's the 1st amendment; even if it seems slightly immoral they can peaceably assemble.
BA My only feeling about the shooting is that I'm shocked. I'm shocked that someone would should shoot a 9 year old however, I'm mostly shocked that that people call it a tragedy and consider it to be a devastating event and completely ignore worse matters in other parts of the world or even other states. In australia, a recent flood was killed 16 people, left 53 people missing, and rendered over 43,000 houses without electricity but we don't care because it's in Australia and we're not. I am not saying that the shooting wasn't a horrible event but there are far worse things to happen.
I believe that the church is within their first amendment rights to protest at the funeral. It may not be a nice thing to do and in fact is not a nice thing to do. However, nice and constitutional are not at all the same thing. I just hope that police show up and prevent everything from getting out of hand or try to talk the protesters into leaving the funeral so that everyone may mourn in peace like they should.
I feel that the shooting in Tucson last week was truly devastating. The man that committed such things had a shrine in his back yard; a skull in a pot of oranges (whatever that means) with candles around it.. before the shooting. Yeah sure, i hate a few people, doesn't mean i'm gonna go and shoot them along with a bunch of other innocent people. This is gonna sound very very horrible, and maybe this is just the way i think, but come on dude. if youre gonna shoot the lady, shoot the lady, not a bunch of others along with it. i dont condone people shoot people you hate.. but im just saying...
it is in the first amendment that people have the right to protest, so obviously yes, it is alright. but its not nice and should not be done, for a funeral is a time for mourning and grievance, and being happy that the people are now i a better place. Overall, they do have the right but it is a little suspicious and questionable.
The shooting that occurred in Tuscon last Saturday were definitely tragic. Nine lives were lost, and dozens were wounded. Not to mention the families dealing with the loss or the "close calls." However, the fact that it happened at a campaign rally does not make it political - the shooter, we have discovered, is mentally unstable, and is sick. No healthy person would look at a nine year-old and pull a trigger.
The freedom of speech gives these people the right to protest funerals - it is wrong what they are doing, however. No person should have the right to deny an innocent person a funeral.
Raul, I disagree with your statement that "its a political issue," because it was not ever released that the shooter had anything against his target. In fact, she was an advocate of peace, something you stated that you believed in. Therefore, the shooter may be "labeled" as an anarchist of some sort, or just someone who advocates chaos.
Funding cuts in mental health research have nothing to do with this tragedy. The acts of one person just condemned our entire state to a life under the microscope of the nation (as if SB1070 didn't already do us that favor) It's a shame but there is really nothing she did wrong, she was trying to be a good politician by meeting with her constituents. Politicians will continue to do this until we don't have a government anymore, it's just such a shame he had to do this.
and it's the first amendment, I REALLY want to just absolutely go off on the Westboro church, but I would just end up rambling, they are just despicable people.
I think what happened in Tucson last Saturday was devastating. I don't think it's political at all. This all happened because a man with an metal disorder making stupid decisions. He obviously needs major help. To help prevent something like this happening again there should be more security and police around,especially if there is a United States politician. Amendment one the freedom of speech, gives these people to think it's alright to act like stupid.
1: I think that the shooting in Tucson was a tragedy, but in my head i think that the guy didn't like her politicaly. I know he shouldn't have killed the other six people along with it but maybe he got gun happy or was scared after the first shot and couldn't control himself. Also, there might be a past history between the polition lady and the shooter that goes way back that no one knows about. An old boyfriend, an enemy? no one actually knows if they had conection because the politionist can't talk! So all, in all, i find that its a mix of political and a past relationship of some sort.
2:The first amendmant is the one that gives these poeple a right to peacefuly assemble, but i find that protesting is okay, but they should respect the dead and just leave these people be! I know they have that right but still, its rude and incredibly disrespectful.
ONE: I am deeply saddened by the tradgedy in Tucson last weekend. It is a terrible place we live in, when a nine year old girl is killed in front of a grocery store. This is not to say that Arizona is a terrible place; this could have happened anywhere. Thats the point. The fact that our world has come to this is tragic and deeply unsettling. There really is no way to stop things like this. People are selfish and have their own agendas. If a person decides to kill another person, they are going to do it because they want to. They do not care what anyone does to try to stop them. As evidence to this, we were told that the man who killed and injured all of these people had intended to kill himself as well! He just didn't get the chance before he was apprehended. This is a strictly personal matter. This man was deeply disturbed and though he may have needed mental help, he refused to get him. Pima C.C. even kicked him out because of his refusal to take a mental health exam. Politics may have played a small part, however, it was not the sole factor.
TWO: The first Amendment gives them the "right" to do this. However to be honest, I fully believe these people should be...well it is actually not kind to say, so i will refrain from doing so. However I will say that they should be ashamed of themselves.
The shooting in Tucson was very tragic & unannounced. I, personally, don't think this is capable of being stopped, because people are just going to do as they please; mental issues or not. Is it political? Yes, i believe the shooting was based on the guy not liking Arizona's way of the law & he took action. Funding cuts in mental health could possibly be a reason for what happened, but we can't just say the guy did it because he was mentally ill.
The First Amendment gives the Church members the right to protest & the freedom of speech. Meaning that if they don't want to go to the funerals, they don't have to.
one: I feel really bad for the people that got shot in tucson last saturday, i dont think anyone could have seen this happening. Stopping it would be impossible it seems other than to have people walking around town constantly checking people for weapons which would invade are privacy and i myself would not like this, and even if someone was found carying a weapon how would that be acted to?
two: Picketing the people who fight for the right to protest to protest the soldiers death is pretty dumb and to picket a 9 year old girls funeral because the mother lost faith when her son died in 1996. this church seems to be a kleu kluax klan (not sher if thats spelled right) with the hate to gays jews and many other ethnics and religions so really all i can think of is Sucks to be them.
What had happend in Tuscon was a tragedy. It wasn't something that really could have been avoided. there will always be that kind of person of people out there in the world. That apparently think there fighting for something that wont happen... All these problems could be fixed by the government because its his fault to begin with.
The first amendment gives those people the right to protest as much and wherever they please.
I agree with Raul it is extremly terrible with the things that happen in AZ but its not really anyone can control things like this happen all the time all over the world the government has power and look at how hes using it.
awhite !
i completly agree with you, there isn't to much we can do to prevent these types of shootings because no ones when they are going to happen. some more security would be nice but then we would have to fund for that to..
I think that the shooting in Tucson was very tragic.I think that more security might help prevent something like this from happening in the future. I don't think it was political. I do not think it was due to the cuts in mental health, I feel that the shooter is only to blame.
The first amendment gives the church group the right to protest. Even though they have the right to do this i think it is very disrespectful of them.
1: The Tucson shooting was a tragedy and it is upsetting that someone would do this. It is very sad that the politician lady got shot and it is a miracle that she is still alive but it is also very sad that everyone else was harmed or killed too. You can always hear many things on the woman that got shot in the head and lived but we don't hear much about the other people who also were harmed or lost their lives. They are very important too and i wish they would spend a little bit more time talking about them, and remembering them because they were important to someone too. Even though they didn't have a position in office or politics they were just normal people who had families and people that cared for them and were at the wrong place at the wrong time and it is devastating that someone did this. I think the man was mentally challenged and should have been watched. Especially since his classmates were worried for their health and lives! The funding cuts for mental health are a problem because people don't get the help they need without it. THe reason he did this could be political but it was also more than that since he harmed so many people. I'm not sure how to stop this from happening but something needs to be done!
2: The first amendment gives people the right to peaceably assemble. They want to be heard so they feel it is necessary to protest. It is sad that they want to protest a funeral but that is what they feel.
@slupia
I disagree with what you have said about the church chipping in to pay for the funerals. Although i think it is a wonderful IDEA, these people are not good people and to be honest i would not want their money if i were the families. Perhaps I am too proud but that is my feeling. Also, the members of this particular "church" or occult seems a more fitting word for them, can not be forced to pay for something like this :/
My thoughts on the Tucson Shooting.I think is really bad for all the families of the ones who died and specially for the families of innocent people who died. I guess you should do is up the security and hope for the best because you have no idea how many weird freaks are out their. how do you know some crazy guy is gunna come out and shoot someone. its hard to expect, so you never know when you need more security.
@dmacfarland- Such disrespectful and irreverent comments is sickening. What if they WERE people you knew?
What if Christina was your daughter?
To have your pride and joy, the most beautiful creation man can make, human life, ripped from your life?
I think your views might be a little more sincere then.
@Jorge- Gun control will only make tragedy things worse. Without armed civilians, can only result in more loss. Every shooting on gun-free campuses has double if not triple casualties then when guns are permitted. It's irrational to rely solely on government run security (Police, National Guard, Etc.)
I feel that the shooting could of be stopped but yet it could not of been stopped I mean like it could of been stopped because like if the currency had not gone back to the silver reserver we probably would of been in debt as much as we are now I mean look at The Great Depression there people there were killing people cause they had little or no money. The way it could not of been prevented is that we are in debt and it is getting worse and the next generation which the Tucson shooter is in is gonna have to deal with the debt of about 14 trillion so I can't somewhat blame him but I can blame him for shooting people.
The 1st amendment gives the church the right to protest funerals which some consider questionable. I think that the Westboro Babtist church is kind of wrong if you ask me to protest funerals I mean how else will some people remember their love ones and like if I was at a funeral and they were there protesting and it was a family member I would be so upset I would go over there and tell them to be quiet I mean they are disturbing the peace in a sense by protesting funerals and that is gonna get people upset to the point that they want to fight I mean like if that was a loved one and they said he/she should not have a funeral would you not fight them if they were saying that? I would also here is what I would say "I have a loved one here and you are NOT GONNA say they should not get a burial for he/she is not part of your family and THEY WILL NOT just GO to be BURIED BUT THEY SHALL HAVE A FUNERAL SO THAT THEY EVERYONE and I MEAN EVERYONE THAT IS HERE CAN REMEMBER What he/she HAS DONE FOR THEM AND A funerals is here so that EVERYONE CAN REFLECT ON WHAT HE/SHE DID and IF YOU THINK OTHERWISE THEN LEAVE AND NEVER COME BACK or I WILL MAKE YOU LEAVE". Yes I know this has a lot of emotion to it but I mean is that not what a funeral is? To reflect what the loved one did to others including yourself? Well if you think otherwise that is fine but do not come to a burial and protest please.
1) The shooting in Tuscon is just terrible and why would anyone try to kill a person and a 9 year old girl? If we could try to prevent this thing from happening again, we could try to increase the amount of security when they're out in an openly exposed area where they can be an easy hi target. I think it is political because the gov't wants to keep the senators alive and also keep the publics hopes up.
2) There is no amendment in the Bill of Rights that keeps people from doing this act, so they are doing these protests because it is the churches decisions and may of the priests don't want to have these funerals in their house of God.
Sean McSpadden, I TOTALY agree with what you said about the church protesting about American soldier funerals. The church, any church, should allow proper funerals instead of shunting them out and calling it "forbidden."
Yeah, I think this is getting too much attention, I understand a congress member got shot, it's all very sad and everything but let's move on and worry about more important things, I mean honestly, this didn't need to get front page news, there are so many more horrible things that the media just doesn't mention, that are so much worse than this.
I agree with Jorge, I don't think it was political either I just think it was wrong and he was mentally unstable and they should stop making a big deal out of it. We already know what happened.
my thoughts on the Tucson shooting that recently happened was very shocking, disappointing and very sad. It is also scary knowing that this could happen anywhere, now knowing how careful we have to be. I do not understand why the stupidity of one person has to make another person suffer their life? Whether it is political or not, it is all just wrong. i personally hate our government and think they only revolve around money, and that is all they want and that is all they care for. So i can understand someone being mad, but you are in America, we have the freedom of speech if you have a huge problem with our government, you find a way to do something about it, there are many ways to do something about the problem you just have to use your brain, we as citizens have the right to speak what we chose to. But you certainly do not take out an innocent life for what you believe or trying to get attention from the media, that is just stupidity. We as citizens of America should be better then that. With that being said, i think police men should be trying to help make our society a better, safer place so incidents like the Tucson shooting would not happen again, and they need to stop worrying about the little things that happen that are harmless to society, because again it all comes back to money, police men ticketing people for the smallest things, so the government can get more money. Help keep society safe instead. for real.
My thoughts in the Tucson shooting was, very shocking..and sad.I feel really sorry for there Families of the ones who passed away Saturday.. and especially for Greens family...All blessings for them.. To prevent something like this from happening again I think they should have more security every where people go ...Because something like this can happend any time..When you least expect it..
It is the First Amendment...Right to protest.. Yeah it can be all that but still i find it really disrespectful that someone actually has that heart to be protesting in a place like a funeral when people are there to remember their love one's and see them for last time...and being actually happy for them because there in a better place now...I do not think its a place for someone to be protesting at the time..
The shooting in Tucson is a very devastating for many people from different ages and races. I think that people who have anger issues or people who show some signs of being a lunatic should get help even if they don't have money for it because it could save many lives. I don't think it was politics that caused this, it was all on his behalf.
The first amendment protects their rights do deny the funerals. It is morally wrong to deny the burial of soldiers and the little 9 year old girl. Besides it's a church they should know morals and unite together instead of denying the girl and her family.
ebeson!
I completely agree with you, you are 100% correct. I agree that he was very deranged and should have gotten help. Also, I agree that it would be very hard to stop these events from occuring.
Honestly, my thoughts about the tucson shooting was a very heart touching and shocking thing that went on here in Arizona. It's just hard to imagine that someone would have the curiosity to take and do something so heart tragic like this. Then you have those people that are like, "oh yeah were sad someone died, lets move on". But hearing about it not only makes it sad but can you just imagine how the families and loved ones are feeling right now about their loved ones? All this is not fun and games. This could have happened anywhere at anytime. It's not like anyone was expecting something like this to go down. People just don't understand and take things like this serious. But the day will come and it just might be to late and they will be like "oh dang i should have really payed attention to what goes on around me and not just on what they want to focus on."
I really don't think that there is a way to stop people that do this kind of hatred. Due to if they are going to do it, their not going to think twice about it and they are not going to let anyone stand in their way either.
For example: If someone is angry, do you honestly think that they are going to listen to you say something to them? No, they are going to be so focused on that person rather then to listen to what you have to say to them. But, may be their could be a more of a hold back on the gun policy. People should not be allowed to care a gun for an unreasonable purpose or things like this shooting are reliable to happen again, you never know about what's going to happen.
The amendment that gives the Church the right to protest at the funeral is amendment one. Why, because they have the right to speak their mind and say whatever that is that they need too. I honestly disagree with them about not letting soldiers or the little girls funeral be held there. It's not right at all.
It is a tragedy what happened last saturday in Tucson at the Safeway. The problem is that this man never thought his plan all the way through. His main target was senator woman, yet he ended up killing an innocent bystander. This young girl was only nine years old and now she can't experience the joys of life because one man felt he was doing her a favor. There are many other ways one could hurt someone with out collarteral damage. Unfortunately these extremists are very simple minded and go with the flow on how to get rid of someone they don't like.
As for the modern day "KKK" they have the right to protest under the first amendment. These people look at the glass half empty and see all the wrong in the world, rather than enjoy it for what it is. They are miserable and unhappy, and the want others to be just as unhappy as they are. It also seems they have money for plane tickets and too much time on their hands. I feel it is disrepectful to protest at a day of mourning, especially if the victim was murdered in cold blood and was also a nine year old girl.
I agree with you Jorge on how you view these imbecilic people who exercise their amendments rights in improper situations.
I think it's terrible what happened to the all the people,that were there to just see what she had to say. But also to all the bistanders who had to see what happened and to hear that a 9
year old girl has been shot. Now that is even worse new hear,she just wanted to hear what she had to say and you know maybe get a pic or talk to her. But that wasn't the case because she got shot it doesn't make any sense that a 9 year old girl has die,she has barly lived her life and been able to see what she has to offer the world. But I'm not so shure that something like this could be prevented. Well even though it's wrong to do but they have the right to speak their mind. I think it's totally wrong for someone to go to a funeral and say things about the people that have passed. i think they should have saved their thought to themselves and not have gone. Also i think the people that did die should have a nice and peaceful funeral that is the least that they could do for them. I agree with Raul what is said was so true and it shouldn't have happened, but only god knows why it happened and I don't think we will ever know.
@iyurgayev cant really say its a tragedy the Haiti Earthquake was a tragedy but the shooting is just a bad event that took place in are state
@caitlin i feel the death penalty is just an easy way out for someone ide rather have the people locked up in a high security area just locked up in a room. i know it sounds bad but come on to have someone do bad things and go and die just seems way to easy for them, im sher i just repeated myself
ebesen,
I strongly agree with you that crazy poeple like that man need help really bad, and need to go to a place and try to stop him from having this occur anymore.
Fabiola
My thoughts on the Tucson Shooting were that they were really up seating for those people who lost their loved ones in this shooting. And for all those people who were innocent and died.
In the first amendment it gives the people the freedom of speech and religion.
Well I'm disturb about what happen this weekend in Tucson. I just think why would someone do something horrific. Shooting innocent people is just not the right way not express yourself against the government.I think this man some had some real problems, and shouldn't have been to be out in our streets. Also this event just puts Arizona more in the spot-light.
I haven't really heard much about the shooting but though it may not be as greatly remembered as 9/11 I know that these people have all died for the country and so they deserve respect. The people trying to protest this respect should realize that its because of people that die for this country that they are able to do as they please. But the first amendment does give them the right to peaceably assemble and the freedom of speech. Though I'm sure that if they died they wouldn't want people protesting their funeral. This is sad that we have people not supporting their fellowman but that's the way life is.
Tucson Tragedy: I think this was just a crazy person and he took his political views out on innocent people. I mean, I saw his picture on the news and if I saw that guy on the side of the road I would run away. You can see the crazy in his eyes. I am shocked but at the same time... That's just what crazy people do.
Baptist Church: The first Amendment gives them the right to peacefully assemble and the freedom to speech to say the don't agree.
To answer the first one, I think that it is so horrible what happened. I personally know the cousin of Gabrielle Giffords and seeing how much everything has affected everyone is such a horrible tragedy. I think that the government can stop this because i think it is political. Or the guy was just crazy...which is a possibilty too. Either way, the government needs to do something about it.
To reply to the second question I believe that the bill that was passed shouldn't have been passed, I'm not saying that I, personally, agree with what the Westboro Baptist Church is doing is right but what I'm saying is that they techincally are protected by the first amendment, The right to peacably assemble, the freedom of speech. I just think that the government is taking away their rights and they aren't causing a "riot". they are just stating their thoughts, yes people are upset by it, but do you see everyone screaming and killing each other over what these people think ? No. I believe that what they want to do with protesting the funeral IS wrong, but why pass a bill saying they can't ? It's a right. The U.S. should not be allowed to pass a bill saying a group of people CAN'T do something...I thought the country was created so we can have freedom ? Well, this takes their freedom away. I can see why people would say, "They don't have the right....". The bill specifically states, "protests are not allowed within 1000 feet of the funeral or event." They still ARE allowed to protest, but 1000 ft away. But if no riot was caused AT the funeral, because they stood outside, then why pass the bill ? Because everyone is against them doing it.
I think the Tucson shooting is terrible! Seriously i think it's a ridiculous reason to shoot people and i feel so bad for the little nine year old girl who was shot, and killed. So many things happen in the state of Arizona, and it's really sad. I do believe it is due to the healthcare issues, however i think he had been threatening the politician for quite some time, and nothing was done, so i think that that's is a way to stop stuff like that from happening again. When threats come the person needs to be stopped. Also, i think it is ridiculous to protest at a nine year olds funeral. Like really? Be respectful. I think the amendment that allows them to do such a stupid thing is the first amendment, the freedom of speech, religion, and freedom to petition, However i don't understand how someone could just protest at someone's funeral. It is so disrespectful.
@ Raul
i agree with you their is shootings all around Arizona and its nothing new.
The shooting in tucson was so sad and heartbreaking. It was stupid of that man and I don't think we will ever know his reasonings. This situation is hard to prevent, but some ways are higher security around Arizona and i guess just kicking the dumb people out would help. I feel this is a political matter and his anger and stupidity made him kill the other innocent people. I just think there are better ways to deal with someone or something you don't like.
TWO: First of all, I don't understand why someone would want to protest a funeral. That just causes more stress and sadness to the grieving family. The churches protest was protected by the first amendment, the freedom of speech and the right to peaceably assemble. I feel they should not have the chance to do that.
@sharman i completely agree with everything you said. I couldn't worded it any better. Death is never the answer.
@sharman i completely agree with everything you said. I couldn't worded it any better. Death is never the answer.
@smcspadden, I agree with you. The shooting makes us look bad. But there isn't much we can do about it now. And about the westboro baptist church, they do have the right but it is immoral. You make really good points.
The shooting in Tucson last Saturday was shocking to, not only the State of Arizona, but to the entire country. We can't say its political or due to funding cuts in mental health yet because we do not have sufficient information on the shooter. To put political rhetoric on the event without any background information would not only be stupid but highly advised against. The things that we do know is that there was a lack of security for the Representative. A better security team could have led to better protection.
The Westboro Baptist Church planned on protesting the funeral's yet they called it off. Speculation is that they recieved death threats or someone from inside the church changed their minds. They have every right to protest it and talking about absolutely stopping their freedom of speech turns into a losing argument very quickly. I personally don't agree with their beliefs or their protests but, simply, they can.
@dmcfarland1: Obvious troll is obvious. Get a life.
Also, I have to agree with Sean Mcspaddens first posting about how they memorial service wasn't orthodox and borderline disrespectful. They acted as though they were applauding the speakers, not cherishing the life of the girl.
@ncoman2... i agree with your comment I think there was definately something wrong with the shooter, and he should have been watched. I also agree with you that you think it has something to do wih the health problems.
I understand that some people are a little messed up, but seriously you dont need to go to a supermarket with a gun and have at it. Its RIDICULOUS!!!!!
And as far as the funeral goes... A little girl died. If you were one of those protesters and say you uncle died, and you went to his funeral. I would be sad that my uncle died but what you had to deal with protesters outside chanting that your uncle was from hell.
I agree with Caleb, it's so sad that they would want to protest a funeral for someone that just lost their life.
Obviously the shooting was terrible. It's a tragedy, and we're all aware. Lots of people are shaken up and pointing fingers at AZ's gun laws. While they are probably partially to blame, I think you can't place the responsibility wholly or even mostly on gun regulation. And unlike the majority, I do believe mental health budget cuts play a big role in this whole situation. Most of you probably don't have a whole lot of awareness about the mental health field, or what goes on. Fact is, most health insurance won't cover very many issues involving mental health. Most companies won't cover much counseling or anything beyond psychiatry. Psychiatry has mostly to do with chemical issues, not emotional or thought disorders. Drugs don't fix everything, and many doctors in the mental health field don't understand much about their patients. It's often overlooked. The problem may be with the gun laws, but not because people can buy guns. The problem lies with the background checks. Everyone around the shooter knew he was obviously disturbed, but the federal background check that is necessary came up clear. He was kicked out of his college because he needed psychological help, but it didn't come up on the background check. More thorough checks is what's needed.
The freedom of speech and the right to peaceably assemble protects WBC's actions of protesting at funerals.
Giving them attention for the outrageous things they are doing only feeds what they're seeking (like a certain dmcfarland posting here ;]) They WANT you to be put off. They are seeking your attention, regardless of what type. By commenting on how "TERRIBLE!" and disrespectful they are doesn't make any difference to what kind of comments they are going to make, except only to encourage more.
I feel that what happened in Tucson was just part of history. Many political heads have been assassinated and/or been injured by one, many bystanders have been killed in this process to. If we try to do any more to prevent things like this from happening there is no way for speeches to be made. Procedures are tight as it is and yet it still happens. To prevent events like this one would cause similar effects that many people saw and still see in airport security after 9/11. And as a final note on this mental health does play a role in this, but every person who can go through with this sort of action(murder) will all have mental problems so one man should not be let off of imprisonment, while others are imprisoned, for being mentally ill, THEY ARE ALL ILL.
The Westboro Baptist Church as the freedom of speech, the freedom to protest, and to peacefully assemble. So they may try to revoke the new laws but will be revoked if anyone is ever is injured at one of their protests. This group is only a group of "Trolls" (Tyler S.), slang for a person who are outrages just for attention. Their actions are outrages but that brings the rest of the US together to fight their madness.
I think that what happened was a very terrible thing. This a dark moment in the world, it is very unfortunate that this had to happen. Honestly, i think that something like this isn't going to be stop until we as a whole stop punishing and bashing people for their views. We all need too start being more excepting instead of being narrow minded and more accepting. I feel like it was act against her. I think that the cutting in founds has to do with but I also believe that it has to do with the fact that getting mental help is shunned apon.
The first amendment gives them the right to do those protest. I do not agree with what they are doing. It is someone's funeral and they shouldn't disturb it.
One: The shooting in Tucson made me so mad. It was something that didn't need to happen. Obviously the guy had problems. I mean, he didn't even kill her-the person he supposedly wanted to kill-but killed six people along the way. Maybe people want to live their lives? Something had to have sparked his rampage since she is a Representative of the U.S.. Of course people are going to be after someone like that, especially if they dislike the person. Someone who is mental shouldn't be able to handle a gun.
Two: To the Baptist people-Who are you to protest at someone's funeral? Really? You think that's okay to be so rude as to interrupt a funeral? Yes, they have first amendment rights but no, it is still not right to me that they can be so heartless. I don't think they'd want me at their funerals protesting. Actually, who would even want that? NO one.
Josh O To start with, the shooting in Tucson, in my opinion, is a threat to the u.s because it seems as if it was just a start. However, i feel and strongly believe that the shooting on saturday caused a lot of trauma to family members and as for me, the little girl that died made me think about my own sister which is only six-years old, imagine her getting shot. My thoughts for an incident like this never to happen again is by giving mentally ill people more medical attention and even more attention so they feel more comfortable around the people and not hold any grudges. This problem is political and is due to mental cuts in health because now a days anyone is a dictator or "the man with the word."
The amendment in the bill of rights that gives the church members the right to protest at the 9 year old girl's funeral is the first amendment. This amendment states that everyone has the right of religion and also have the freedom of speech. in my opinion i am i the part in which the church has the right to protest but also why do they have to be so disrespectful and be rude to the family members of the 9 year old girl. Does the church really want a lot of attention? For what? Is there a reason or plan in which this act is wanting to take place?
@xavier
I agree with everything you said. I also believe that it is the states job to help those who need it. Mental health isn't something to mess around with.
i think this was a terrible tragedy. it's sad to think that one person can have that much hate in themselves to take the lives of others. one thing that kind of upsets me though, is that this is happening every single in other regions of the words and we're doing nothing about it. yet six people get shoot in arizona and the media blows up. just because it's across the world and we don't know any of the people personally doesn't make it any less of a problem or tragedy.
im pretty sure i'll get in trouble if i try and express my opinions on the westboro baptist church. i think they all need physiologic help
This fu killing people and making them think that hes brain is not right.Thy paid him to kill this people.this is my opinion about this,because they always say that.estan mal si cren que se ban a salir con la sulla.
I think we should start installing metal detecting device at the stores and or hire the use of concealed carrying undercover security. I believe the protesting at funerals should not be allowed this church is just seeking attention.
@Sluvia
I agree. People can never really understand the mind of someone who is severely mentally ill. It's a difficult stance, to see whether or not people who claim to be mentally ill really are. But no system is flawless. I mean, when it comes down to it many people are jailed who could possibly be innocent, too. While our systems of justice are undergoing constant improvement, it's never going to be perfect in any aspect.
@Nicole Prouty: I completely agree with you. The government should do something about it. But you cant really stop people being crazy and killing people-or can we?
@ Heather LeBlanc
I totally get what you are saying, and he shouldn't have done that but you didn't go into why you feel that way. Also don't just quote an article if you can't understand what it said. But very good ideas beside that.
1. I am very shocked that this tragedy happened in Tucson. This is NOT Arizona that i know. I am grateful that there are citizens like Daniel Hernandez that saved congress woman. I am not sure how i can stop something like this. I don't think it's political.
2. I seriously don't understand these people. They are not respectful to the family.
The tragedy in tucson last saturday was horrible. killing people to make a point is not acceptable and i think that more people should be on the lookout for people who are considering doing things like this. murdering someone you dont even know just because you're upset with something is not okay. just because someone did you wrong, that doesnt make it okay for you to do wrong to someone else.
i think it is completely unacceptable to protest a funeral, even though the amendment says you have the right to peacefully protest, it doesnt mean you should. if you dont agree with it, thats fine, but have respect for the person the funeral is for, and there families that are grieving. its not only about respect, but being a decent human being.
I think that what happend is really messed up that someone who did not agree with the words that were bein spoken would take lives of adults and also a nine year old child. I feel really bad for all of the families that have to go through this hardship and for the family of that liitle girl because from what i understnd she wanted to be a political speaker and just got elected at her elementary school as the presedent and she was just there to kind of get an understanding. The guy who did this is extremely disrespectful and sick. When i saw the grin he had on his face on the mugshot was absolutely sickening to see. So i really hope that the families will be in peace after this tragedy.
I think that what happend is really messed up that someone who did not agree with the words that were bein spoken would take lives of adults and also a nine year old child. I feel really bad for all of the families that have to go through this hardship and for the family of that liitle girl because from what i understnd she wanted to be a political speaker and just got elected at her elementary school as the presedent and she was just there to kind of get an understanding. The guy who did this is extremely disrespectful and sick. When i saw the grin he had on his face on the mugshot was absolutely sickening to see. So i really hope that the families will be in peace after this tragedy.
What happened in tucson was very tragic but i really think they need to start doing pysch checks on people before they can actually own a gun... maybe they already have that idk... and anyway that really cant doo much to stop people like this since they cant search everyone maybe they can put metal detectors but that cant stop everyone... they can get in other ways... The baptist church what are they protesting about exactly and its not right to protest at a funeral.... and the amendment is the 1st i think.......
I think that what happend is really messed up that someone who did not agree with the words that were bein spoken would take lives of adults and also a nine year old child. I feel really bad for all of the families that have to go through this hardship and for the family of that liitle girl because from what i understnd she wanted to be a political speaker and just got elected at her elementary school as the presedent and she was just there to kind of get an understanding. The guy who did this is extremely disrespectful and sick. When i saw the grin he had on his face on the mugshot was absolutely sickening to see. So i really hope that the families will be in peace after this tragedy.
Spencer Katoa
I agree with spencer it has nothing to do with politics nothing AT ALL it was just a insane person who prolly doesnt have meds.
I think that the shooting was a terrible incident. I dont think that health care cuts are to blame, even if their werent whos to say the guy would have gotten help? i do see this as a partial political stand because he was out to shoot the congress woman. It was wrong to shoot the innocent people as well and its scary to think this could happen anywhere. i believe it could be prevented by more security.
the first ammendement states freedom of religion and speech, so the church is aloud to express themselves whether anyone agrees with it or not. i dont understand why they would protest but they all have their own reasons. nobody can take away a person or the churches rights.
i think the Tucson shooting was messed up like really thats so stupid. like i don't listen to the political stuff at all but i think it was for political reasons or he just wanted to shoot someone but wow y shoot a little girl all she wanted was to make a change in the world gah so stupid and i think its kinda cool that she was born on 9/11. but she was so young that stupid shooter gah i dont even know what to say it ticked me off!
2.) why would you protest a flippn funeral!! thats so stupid and just mean like what did the little grl ever do to you to make u wanna protest it like wow we have some pretty cold hearted people in america!! and its the first amendment since its fredom of speech!! its still wrong and messed up!!
@ncoman2
i definitely agree with you. they should spend time on the other people who were killed too.
I think that what happened in tucson was terrible but its hard to prevent stuff like that because its not easy to predict when something like this will happen. But mabey we should focus a little more on mental health so that we can at least try to prevent this from happening again. I dont think this had anything to do with politics and that people just want to make up stories to criticize the government and to make more money off of the stories.
The church is backed by the first amendment.
@colin drosendahl
i completely agree with you about the mental evaluations to own a gun. it only makes sense right?
I absolutely despise the fact that so many innocent people were killed. But what could we do? It's in the past now, we need to learn from the past. There has to be a path we can trace backwards that the shooter made. If the order of events that led up to the shooting can be followed, then there is the possibility of preventing something like this from happening again.
Yes, the Westboro Baptist Church of Oklahoma have the right to do what they are doing. First Amendment, I believe. But i can't conceive why they wouldn't want these funerals to take place...what would make them protest the burials of victims?
What happened in Tuscon, was not something to blame the public for, its something to blame the government for. People should have to go through a psychological test to be permitted to carry a concealed weapon, because crazies like this are NEVER going to go away. Its something that needs to be stopped or tragedies like the one on Saturday are going to keep happening. It had nothing to do with political views because the guy looks like he knows nothing about the government. He's just straight out crazy and needs to be locked up, now that he is, or if he was earlier this wouldn't have happened.
Amendment 1 gives the people the freedom of speech and the freedom of peaceful protest. But it is questionable because no one should tell someone they are going to hell, because they will be condemned. Its not right especially at a funeral. Its a very horrid thing for someone to say that, and may be they are crazy to, because what goes around comes around and it comes around 10 fold to you originally.
I thought that it was horrible what happened in Tucson. Especially about the little girl getting shot. It was very sad to hear about. I don't think that we could have stopped this from happening though. We didn't know that he was going to take a gun to the Safeway and shoot up the place. I don't know if it was political or not. I would assume so because from what I heard he was obsessed with politics. I honestly don't think that it is due to funding cuts. If we hadn't cut the funds on mental health I don't think he would do something to change his mental status. He would have to be open to taking medicine and we don't know that he would.
I think that it is horrible to protest that. She was a nine year old girl. I don't know how the Westboro Baptist Church associated this little girl with American soldiers. I also don't think that it is right for them to do that. This girl is like anyone else and should be treated like anyone else.
1) It is a tragedy, but I don't think there is anything we can do to stop things like this. These things happen often, wether it is in Tucson or New York City. I am not saying that it wasn't terrible and sad though.
2) Anyone has the right to protest, but come on. What would be the point of protesting a funeral of a nine year old that was killed?
1) It's terrible what happened in Tucson.. I don't understand why a person would want to kill people? I think the only way to stop something like this from happening again, you would have to know the person, see how off they are in the head, and report it or take them your self to get them checked out! If you know someone that's depressed, you take them to a doctor. Why, if you knew a crazy person, would you not get them help!? I think there was no family reasons that the person did this, it has to be a out-of-tune bolt in his brain. Maybe if there was more money for mental health it could have been stopped.
2) The Constitution says it's okay to PEACEFULLY assemble and protest.. by why a little girl? Or even any child! It's depressing that the family couldn't have the funeral they wanted, just because they can? I would never interrupt a funeral. Especially one this sad.
I Think That What Happened In Tucson Was Really Sad Because Of The Fact That It Was Random And Innocent People Were Harmed And Killed. I Do Not Think That You Can Really Stop Something Like This From Happening. All You Can Do Is Take PreCaution. I Think That It Could Have Been Political Due to The Fact That He Went To The Convention. He Could Be Crazy In The Head Or He Could Be Normal. I Honestly Don't Know.
Question 2: Freedom Of Speech Gives The Westboro Baptist Church The Right To Say That They Don't Want To Have A Funeral At Their Church. Although, That Is Messed Up And Disrespectful.
The shooting in Tucson that occurred last Saturday was a very tragic event for many families and also just people her in Arizona. When things like this happen in the world it makes you wonder well this world is turning into. I think that maybe a small way of affecting this to happen again would be maybe to have more security in all locations especially at large outdoor malls and highly populated locations around the world. I think this incident was more of a political issue rather then it referring to the funding cuts in mental health. The man that did these shootings thought of the wrong way to get his points across on his views and/or opinions.
As for the Westboro Baptist Church in Oklahoma, the Amendment that allows the church members to do this is the first Amendment. The first Amendment states the freedom of speech, freedom of protest, and freedom of religion. Although I think protesting at a funeral is ENTIRELY disrespectful especially because she was 9 years old, she was allowed to make a protest. People in this world should really learn to respect what happened wither they disagree, or have problems with the issue. I think that is a huge problem with what is going on in the United States alone.
i think what happened in tucson was horible. there are some sick people in this world. and the person that did the shooting is obvi craaazy as hell! this person has needs a lot of help. i wouldn't mind if they gave him the death penalty!
the first amendment gives the right to the church to protest and a freedom of speech,
personally, i believe everyone can agree that this was a tragedy, minus the few heartless students and people in this world. no one could ever really explain why loughner did this or what caused it, but it was obvious he had strong opinons on politics and wasn't all sane in the membrane. i disagree with the idea that this had to do with cutbacks in the psychological area, or that this could have been stopped. maybe a little more security should have been provided, but what are the gonna do? check everyones bags and personal belongings before they enter a public event? i know that after this horrible incident everyone is going to be paranoid and security will be crazy everywhere, but i dont think its necessary. when a person is mentally ill, then they are mentally ill. there is not much you can do to stop them, as i said before. this is not due to politics or due to cutbacks in the psychological area, it was due to someone's crazy and strong opinion on politics that he obviously could not handle. it is extremely disappointing and i feel incredible sorrow for the families that lost their innocent relatives and children due to this accident, and i believe that loughner should pay for what he did, mentally ill or not.
-the protestors could protest and say what they want due to the first amendment of the constitution.
@Diana Del Pozzo
I agree with you that it was really wrong to pention at the little girls funeral. People need to have a heart sometimes.
@kyle quiggle, You said it. Everything that happened is just cruel and sick. I feel terrible for the families involved, especially for the little girl.. She really had a future..
i think this was a disastrous event that happened in our state. you will never know when your life will end, its a terrible way fate can be with us. im very glad they held a memorial to pray for the people who have died/wounded. obama made an incredible speech and im glad he's our president.amendment 1-freedom of speech and freedom of protests.
people who are like loughner should be locked up, sociopaths are a danger to our society or atleast should be watched. i hope he doesnt announce himself as "insane" just so he doesnt go to prison and rot there. karma is real, and sooner or later, it will catch up to people who have done wrong.
#1. I think that the tucson girl was a horrid event that happened, she was 9 years old and had huge huge dreams that she was so dedicated to fulfill. she had already picked out the collage that she wanted to go to and she was one of the few that wanted to change the world and i think thats a big decision for a 9 year old. I think that if she would have made it she would have changed things and changed the views of many people..
#2. and im not sure what to say about the protests i know they have the right to say what they want but its against a 9 year old im not sure how thats right... nor do i understand it. why would they feel it necessary to protest against it?? she did nothing wrong i mean she was 9 the only thing she wanted was to make the world a better place and be the best that she knew she could be. im not sure how you could protest against that but i guess you just have to have the mind set to do so.
I agree with Ariana
I believe that the shooting in Tucson was horrible. I don't believe anything could have prevented it because anyone over a certain age can own a gun. What i do believe though is the media blow up the picture like crazy because it was a politician that got shot. People get killed all the time and they don't get a huge story and get represented like the people did. i feel awful for the innocent people who lost there lives though.
And for question two they have the right to protest due to the first amendment.
Adam White: I completely agree with your statement about how there really isn't a way of preventing this to happen again besides maybe increasing the amount of security. You and I had the same views on the tragic event and I found it enjoyable to look back and see how people may agree and disagree.
The Tucson shooting is so sad and devastating. My heart goes out to all the family, friends, and loved ones. I can't figure out why someone would do such a tragic and terrible thing as far as taking something so valuable from people, their lives. This situation is just so sad and I hope that somehow everyone can get through it. People that didn't know the victims are even hurt from this, such as myself because we know they didn't deserve to have their lives taken from them. They did absolutely nothing wrong yet they had to suffer because of some mans extremely wrong decision.
The Tuscon, shooting was a tragic incident but we should not let this sadness overwhelm us. We need to create a stronger and better safe surrounding environment. why do we need guns and weaponry when they create chaos, (mainly 90% of this bloody world is corrupted due to our "forefathers") but its time to take action and getting rid what we do not need and keeping what we need most, that way we wont have to worry about a little 9 year old girl getting murdered or any other of our fellow citizens.
i agree with you Amanda. You can't blame something on the public because it was not anybodies fault, only the psychos.
@stacy you hit the nail right on the head. agree with you completely.
i just hope loughner gets what he deserves
@Lauren Lund
i totaly agree with you dude. the little girl did nothing wrong except wanna change the world and make it a better place. and from what i understand having a dream isnt wrong!! she was so little this is just so sad
@Jorge and Caitlin,
The shooter abused his rights, yes. Did he forfeit them? i don't think so. When arrested, you are told your rights, correct? They tell you that you have the right to remain silent, which means that you also have the right of speech still. So i don't think he forfeited his rights.
@ebeson: I agree with you 100%. because a tragedy like this could have happened anywhere, but is happened in Az, and we are already looked down upon because of SB1070. But i dont think this happened because of SB1070, i mean look at the kid, he looks like a skin head! But i do agree politics did have a role in the shooting, but like you said not the sole factor. The man was just crazy and needed help, and refused.
1) I think this whole shooting thing is really sad. Like seriously,shooting innocent people is bad. I was so furious when i saw this on the news, i got even angrier when i heard the crazy guy also shot a nine year old girl. So ridiculous! Now im too scared to go to safeway. To stop this madness i would arrest every single crazy person in the world. Hopefully the government could fix this problem because this is a political issue.
2)I think the first amendment which states the freedom os speech, free press,and freedom of religion gives the guy the rights to do his actions
I was shocked to hear about what happened in Tucson, especially about the little girl. It's terrible that something like that has the possibility to happen. My thoughts on how to stop this from happening again.. Well in my opinion, the only REAL way would be to ban guns completely (Even I don't like that). But more logical ways would be stricter with weapons and more security. I, sadly, don't believe that it won't happen again. People who are very determined would be able to find a way to do it. It really could have something to do with the mental health cuts, but I'm not completely sold just yet.
That amendment would be the first one. They, like us all, have the right of speech and to peacefully protest. I do not understand why they would want to though. I haven't read about it or even heard about it so I don't know much, but it seems really silly to do that and quite frankly rude for the family. Why would they want a bunch of angry people when they are trying to mourn their daughter?
Well my feeling on the shooting are pretty strong. i feel that nothing like that should ever happen to anyone especially a 9 year old girl thats just horrible. But i have a solution to solve it even tho it might not be one that most people will agree with. Well i think that anyone that shows any bit of insanity against little children should be put down...
Now with the church i didn't really heir about it so ill give my best answer for whats going on. I think that if you wanna bury your child a certain way thats perfectly fine. no one should have the right to tell you how and were your child can be buried. So the amendment thats probably suits this problem is the freedom of religion just remember i didnt know much about this subject and i not to good with my amendments.....
I think that the shooting was a big eye opener for people in Arizona and very devastating to the families who was affected by it. I personally think it is terrible and couldnt really be helped or stopped from happening. I dont think it was a politically driven action from the man. i believe that the man was just a little to crazy for his own good and acted upon as so. As for the mental health cuts i dont think its to blame for the action of the man, their is alot of different factors that could be the problem that could have started this hole thing up. Lastly i believe the protesters are legally aloud to by law under the 1st amendment. The real questions why would you want to be bring that kind of negativity to a funeral of a 9 year old girl that was killed, Where is the respect, i dont think they would want that to happen to any of them so they shouldnt do so to others.
What happened on Saturday was just shocking and horrible. It is just sad how can some innocent souls be taken away for some stupid "political" stuff. i just feel so sorry for those families that were affected. I mean that madman that killed the 6 people was obviously just insane. I think the cause was not political at all. He was just trying to make an "excuse" for his actions. The only way in my opinion to stop this from happening again is to have a liscense and check the background of the consumer who is buying the gun. it would work because if we give it to someone who is mentally stable and knows how to use a gun properly, then it would be fine. Also we should get more to work in the mental health department to help these seriously misunderstood people. The Westboro Baptist church protesting at people's funeral in my own opinion is just wrong. Unfortunately the First Amendment gives them the right to do that which is the Freedom of Speech.
@ spencer Katoa I totally agree with you
@STACY: you are 100% right! and i completely agree!
Question #2-
The amendment in the bill of rights that gives the church members that right is the first amendment, freedom of speech.
@alek passano
i like your solution !!
@ Caitlin. You had a good point but I disagree. He should be punished. The death penalty though.He only committed murder once. Yeah it is inexcusable and should be punished. You don't have proof though that he will go and kill again if he does(god forbid) get out of jail or whatever punishment he gets. Also if you are mentally ill it doesn't mean you don't have a brain. It just means it doesn't work the same. I do agree that if he could understand politics and debate on it then he isn't mentally unstable enough for his lawyer to plead cause of mental instability.
IM GOING WITH SHERMAN AND SPENCER!!!!!!!!!
When I heard about the shooting in Tucson, I couldn't help but stay on the edge of my seat waiting for more details. The news came as a complete shock to me, thinking about that nine year old almost brought tears. Thinking of all the families who were hurt by this shooter brought me to pain. It's not a nice feeling to lose a loved one.. This may be brought down as a political issue, but I don't believe that events such as these can be stopped. The man was mentally ill, and the event itself was not predetermined by anyone except himself.
The first amendment gives the Baptist church the freedom of speech, religion and I believe protest? I could be wrong? Legally, they are allowed to do the things that they do, and it certainly begs the question, "Why?" Why would they want to protest against these funerals for the lost loved ones? Although they are protected, one may think that they would have some kind of boundaries?
@Raul I Agree With You. People Were Killed For No Reason At All. But, I Don't Think It Was A Poltical Issue. Something Could Have Just Been Wrong With The Guy From the Beginning.
@ndickinson Yes They Do Have The Right To Speak Freely, But They Are Just Being Disrespectful About The Whole Situation. A Little Girl Was KILLED And They Want To Go Out And Protest. You Just Don't Do That. SMH.
I believe that this is quite a tragedy in the state of Arizona. It is really sad that someone had to go to these kind of lengths to satisfy themselves. I believe that this was because of the funding for mental health issues because it was obvious that this man was mentally unstable and that is just to bad. I do not believe that there is a way to prevent horrific events form happening again in the future. It is just sad that people in this world have to do things like this but I believe that this is just one of the facts of life and its quite depressing that we as people live this way.
Its so upsetting that a girl of only nine years of age had to die so young. I do not think the shoot quite understands that this poor child had not even gotten the chance to actually live yet. I believe that the church protesting her funeral is just disgusting. I mean its a church of all things to protest a child's funeral. I know that this event is protected by their first amendment right but I believe that in certain events like in the funerals that this church protest this first amendment right should be taken away from them. It is absolutely upsetting that people would put a family that has just experienced a great tragedy through something like that at their child's funeral of all things.
I think that what happened was awful, but not to be rude, this stuff happens everywhere, not just here. BEcause of what happened, people are lashing out at everyone and anyone they can, like the fact that people are accusing Palin for what happened, I'm not defending her in any way but people always jump to most suspecting person. I dont blame them, but we all need to watch what we say, this could have been all because of politics but we dont know until we get all facts and are able to show truth in them. I dont think we can really stop anything like this from happening again, dont accuse me of being a pessimist, but it's just the plain simple truth. No matter what we do, how many crooks we put in prison, or mentally unstable people in care, there will always be someone out there like this awful man. If we were to stop this from happening again, then extinct would be what we go to.
Protesting, freedom of speech, and religion are all from the first amendment but honestly what kind of people protest angrily at a little girls' funeral? Let the family be in peace as they mourn for their daughter. If you lost a family member, you want peace as you mourn for them, well those people should be even more respectful because of how the child died, I think those people are awful and have absolutely no respect for anyone, including themselves.
Agreeing with Spencer Katoa, the guy was crazy. It was a mental illness that drove him to this, or so it was ruled. And you really can't prevent that, can you? Crimes happen all over, every day. So, in Spencer's words: We can only hope for the best.
@ Akendig
I agree with you completely.
@tcervantes
i agree with you. The people who lost their lives/injured were innocent and did not deserve that. If someone wants to prove a point, don't kill innocent people. That is not fair and that's a really bad way to prove a point because then you are seriously in the wrong as well.
[1] The Tucson shooting was disturbing for me to see on the news and to hear about. It hurt me also for the poor little girl that was there cause she just wanted to see those leaders that show kids the greatness of America and quality of leadership. She ended up dying and not fully get to see what her future holds.There should have been better security so this event can't happen again. It wasn't really political, but it also was the guy was mentally insane and he did do it for political reasons. I don't really know if it was due to the cuts and but it was due to his mental health.
[2] That church is not a church to me if they decide to protest at funerals like that. Truly I think they are insane for doing that. Those poor people mourning there family and that church decides to hurt them more by protesting at the funeral. I would feel very hurt if they did that to a funeral I went to. You just don't do that! Funerals are for mourning not for the political veiws, its for the dead to sleep not be interupted. I am glad that there was some good protesters that dressed up as angels and blocked the way for the Church protesters, I thank those people cause now the little girls parents won't have to deal with the extra stress after losing there child. Protesting in funerals need to be illegal so it can stop. Those families of those soldiers now have more pain, for those church protesters caused it.
@cstoutmurphy I totally agree with you on the Westboro baptist protest, it is very disrespectful to say negative things about a person's funeral especially if it is a 9 year old girl who was shot for some stupid reasons. And for the gunman's reasons, it could be a mental thing but then again we really don't know til we find out.
@ Spencer,
I am in total agreement with spencer on this one. All that happend isnt on the mental health cuts or anyone other than the man himself. I didnt see any thing on the news about the mental health cuts or anyone else going on a killing spree. He made his decision to do what he did was by his own choice and not driven by politics at all. He is the only person to blame for his on actions.
Question #1 My thoughts on the Tucson shooting are surprised and sad. I never would have guessed that something so tragic would happen here in Arizona. I feel so bad for the families and friends of the ones that were killed. The most devastating thing about it, is that all of the innocent lives were taken all because of one mans insanity. Unfortunately, incidents have to occur for us to be able to find a way to prevent it from happening again but in this case our control is very limited. I feel as if mental illness should be noticed and treated before it becomes out of reach, whether it be by a doctor or family member. Another help i guess would just be an even higher increase in security.
Question #2 The Amendment that gives the church people the right to say that is the First Amendment, The Freedom of Speech.
I agree with @sharman, people are crazy, and there was abslutely no point in killing 9 other people, or even one person.
Those who protest at a 9 year olds funeral are awful people and they seriously need to check their moral compass.
@Josh Ortiz
I agree with what you had said. There should more attention and chances to get help to the mentally unstable. You questioning the reasons behind why the church is making their protest so huge makes me wonder to. You have opened my eyes and now I see the light!!!!!
1) I think this can start to be prevented in the family and school. In the family can be prevented by teaching your children values and affection, and paying more attention to their mental development. And in school can be prevented by promoting respect for life and the way of thinking of every individual.
2)The first amendment of the constitution allowed this people to peaceably assemble, but in my opinion they should respect the pain that this family is going through. Because it must be very painful to be at the funeral of a child and having to endure people protesting.
@tcervantes
I totally agree with you because you can't be killing inocent people just because your upset or just because you want to get attention. Killing inocent people is the worst way of proving a point.
@ Samantha C
I fully agree on the Church Protestors, for yes it was freedom of speech but its also the mourning of the 9 year old its wrong and rude to protest there...
@EVERYONE
My god people, just becasue I think death is funny (even if it's someone I know) doesn't make me inhuman, it makes me human :D. Now does anybody still think I can't get away with this? 9/11 is funny, death is funny, you're funny, I'm funny, Life is funny.
I think that the event in Tucson was terrible. It is sad to know that there are crazy people who will take people's lives because they do not agree with politics. NUTS but the first amendment protects the Baptist Church by freedom of religion, speech and to protest. The amendment doesn't give boundries but there should be for the sake of the families of the deaths.
One:
I feel that it happened for a reason, maybe the boy could have harmed more people. I do not think he should be killed because coming from a family with mental illnesses, if you are not helped, you really don't think like others. I think to prevent this teachers need to be more aware of signs of mental status of students, angry problems, mood swings ect. , same goes for parents.
Two:
The first amendment says freedom of speech and the freedom of a peacefully assembly. However, one can aurgue that this is a peaceful assemble. I would think protesting a funeral is disrespectful and not right.
@Caitlin
I disagree with you about the death penalty. Just because someone has a "brain" does not make them right in the head. A mental disability is due to a chemical imbalance in the brain, so saying that someone could FAKE it is very unlikely. Its not like they look at him and say OH HE HAS PROBLEMS, they go through series of evaluations and background checks to make sure that the person is in fact mentally ill.
I agree that the shooting was an act due to a terrible job done by security and the education system.. Its not fair to judge the boy. Yes he did shoot many people but it is reported that he had given signs of abnormality and perhaps mental instability. Yet no one took much interest, especially the school. In order to prevent things like this from happening we must become more aware of potential threats and signs people might give off. The mentally ill should definitely be given more attention and be invested in. Its not like people ask to be this way.
The 1st amendment gives you the right to peaceably petition.
I feel that the shooting was a horrible thing that happened and it's hard to say really how things like that can be stopped because so many people in the world today just are not in in the right state of mind. It could be political but honestly the man that did it was just messed up in the head if you ask me. And the second part just makes me mad this little girl died and these people want to refuse her the right to a funeral. I mean they do have the right to protest but it's just so wrong of them to do so. So I think I'm on the same page with Jorge.
I think the Tucson shooting is a terrible thing that happen. All those family's live will be changed now forever. I do not feel it was political. just some mentally insane guys that wasn't right in the head.
I do feel the church is in the right though because the first amendment does give them the right to speak out. but i think its disrespectful.
i have to agree with spencer because you can do all the securtiy that you want but there will always be some crazy person out there that will do something bad.
I think it's a horrible thing when things happen,but it's even worse when it happens in your own state. When i heard of the news i was already sad upon the fact it really happened then to hear one of our own representatives were one of the harmed and in serious condition. I soon later looked into research the mans motives and reasons for it, i soon realized the guys a total imbisule and had no real motive and if he did why did he harm those people he didn't even know. I think this really shows a bad representation of Arizona and our society. We our frowned upon by others for everything that has been going on here lately.
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I agree with Spencer you can use all the protection in the world and something bad can still occur, everyone blinks, coughs, sneezes, moves, and looks away. Never 100% safe.
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